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#1 2012-06-19 10:23:36

Pomonoker
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NYC towns?

Got involved in a Facebook discussion about what were the boundaries of Flushing. Now I always thought I grew up in Flushing, but had a mailing address of Fresh Meadows. As i tried to research it online, I was not able to find the boundaries of Flushing the town (or municipality, or whatever). I was only able to find the boundaries of zip codes, or the neighborhood of Flushing, and I didn't live in that neighborhood. Apparently, the "neighborhood" of Flushing has the LIE as it's southern boundary (according to Wilipedia), while I always thought that Flushing was bounded by Union Turnpike. Are there municipalities in NYC (or Queens)? Who do people pay there real estate taxes to?

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#2 2012-06-19 10:56:55

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Re: NYC towns?

Pomonoker, there was't any LIE when we were young kids, It came later. There may have been some adjustment of bounderies after it was built. Hard tellin.

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#3 2012-06-19 11:13:28

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Re: NYC towns?

I assume the LIE has just replaced Horace Harding Blvd in any boundary lines. The question I'm trying to figure out, is what are the boundaries?

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#4 2012-06-19 15:57:54

Mike
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Re: NYC towns?

Pomonoker, I've lived in Queens for a long time except for 2 years 80 to 82.
The Post Office caused the confusion that I still can't figure out. I grew up in Elmhurst, 11373 by Newtown High as you know and that's how the incoming mail was postmarked. One day in the 60's it changed to Flushing, 11373.
Where I live now 11366 - just north of Union Tpke. and just east of Parsons was originally Hillcrest but when my wife lived here from about 1965 her address was Flushing. Now our mail says Fresh Meadows 11366.

I found this on a website called queens.about.com
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"The Post Office says Flushing is all of central Queens from Maspeth to Whitestone. But the neighborhood of Flushing is really between Flushing Meadows Park and Utopia Parkway (Auburndale). To the north the Whitestone Expressway and Bayside Avenue separate it from College Point and Whitestone. The LIE is the southern border (Kew Gardens Hills). East of Main Street are the more suburban enclaves of Murray Hill and Flushing-Broadway (north of Northern Blvd)."
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For some reason I find it hard to believe that was the original boundaries of Flushing, I thought it was smaller, but some accounts have it even larger in the Dutch period.
Funny how Pomonok was considered Fresh Meadows, yet where I am south of Pomonok and on the east side of Parsons near Union (Jamaica border) was called Flushing in the 60's.

PS
I just found a map from 1873 but it's a link. The site is selling maps so this system most likely will kick it off. I'm still trying to figure out the map, will get back to you soon.

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#5 2012-06-19 17:39:01

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Re: NYC towns?

Just an intresting note. One of my wife sons is living in Holland on a permanent basis. Went for a visit years ago, met a Dutch girl got married and settled there. It turns out that the home he owns is only 10 miles from where the original family came from before migrating to the U.S.
One day my wife was showing me where he lived on a map of the Netherlands when low and behold I spotted a town named Flushing. Flushing is the next town over from where he now lives.
I thought that was pretty ironic

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#6 2012-06-19 18:20:40

Mike
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Re: NYC towns?

Jim, all accounts I've read over the years say Flushing was named by the Dutch.
Most all have the original spelling of our town Flushing as named after Vlissingen.
Does that sound right?

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#7 2012-06-19 19:14:54

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Mike, I'm not sure what you mean by Vissingen. I do know that the spelling Flushing in Holland and the Flushing in Queens is one in in the same.
My wife's brother has been working on history of the family tree. From what little I know her early relatives settled in Tarrytown NY with some drifting  down to NYC, maybe involved in  Flushing . Then some of the family moved to Pennsylvania (Pennsylvania Dutch). From there some went westward to Iowa and Kansas. Kansas is where my wife is from.

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#8 2012-06-20 07:11:16

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Re: NYC towns?

I guess there are just neighborhoods and postal zones, which don't have to agree, and are subject to change over time. It seems from the perspective of governing, it is what Queens Community Board are you a part of, not what "neighborhood" you live in. Does this sound correct?

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#9 2012-06-20 11:27:50

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Re: NYC towns?

My old High School Holy Cross was considered part of Bayside in the late 70s early 80s.  St. John's University was considered part of Jamaica in the mid-80s when I went there.

Now both have the address of Flushing.

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#10 2012-06-21 11:28:05

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Like so many towns across this country, Flushing's Identity has been lost with the emergence of one town flowing into the next with no separation in between. Just take a look what happened to the rest of Long Island.

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#11 2012-06-21 15:16:42

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Re: NYC towns?

Pomonoker--re your original question: could Wiki be making the same error that so many people used to make back in the 60's. I know my father used to get the LIE & BQE mixed up & call them by each other's names.

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#12 2012-06-21 15:57:33

ed d
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Re: NYC towns?

Flushing is like a ...CHINESE CROSSWORD PUZZLE these days

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#13 2012-06-22 07:45:22

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The last time I was in Flushing I thought I made a wrong turn and wound up in China.

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#14 2012-06-22 07:56:51

paddy moore
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Re: NYC towns?

I know squat about flushing . Thanks for flushing out these stats. I once ate a lot of bran and did a lot of flushing. Now I'm feeling flushed.  I've never had a straight flush, just a regular one. I did take the#7 to Shea in Flushing, but now the #6 to THE Bronx. Dr. Steve can I make an appointment please. Feeling giddy maybe because I'm leaving for Costa Rica for 2 weeks today and I'm wondering if the water when flushed circles the other way. Is there a song called "Flushing on my mind"

Last edited by paddy moore (2012-06-22 08:13:32)

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#15 2012-06-22 12:06:38

Mike
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Re: NYC towns?

Great Prose.
Have a good time Paddy. Hope you brought your surfboard. My Rockaway buds say that's second only to The Pipeline.
Skip the toilet. So close to the equator you should fill the sink and then pull the drain plug.
Please report if it circles one way or the other, or barely at all.
Have fun.

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#16 2012-06-22 14:41:42

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Re: NYC towns?

Costa Rica is in the Northern Hemisphere like us. The equator goes through South America. If it seems like the water is swirling the wrong way, have one less Marguerita, lol.

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