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- Herb
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Subway memories...
Subway Memories...
The first ride. My mom took me into the city, and made sure we rode in the first car. She positioned me at the front of the car so I could look out at the road, tracks and stations ahead. I was blown away. It was unlike anything I had ever seen before, and I stood at those front windows for many years to come.
The Motormen. Sometimes, Motormen would keep the door of the cab propped open a bit. I would love to stand there and peek in to watch them work. Boy did I want that job, and I still think I would have loved it. Most motormen didn't mind being watched, but one slammed the door shut when he saw me. Another actually gave me a visual tour of the cab and all the controls as he drove the train. Never forgot that. He really enjoyed explaining everything to me.
The Cars. 'Trains, Planes, and Automobiles', they all interest me, and subway cars were no different. From those old black 'Low V's', to everything that followed, I got excited about every new type of car that came along. When I started working in Manhattan, the IND line was getting air conditioned cars, but the trains were mixed. Some cars had it, others didn't, and they all looked alike except for one thing. I knew to look for a certain vent on the upper side of the car, that only air conditioned cars had. I also loved the 'Redbirds'. Did you know that many of them were taken out on barges, and dropped in the ocean to build an artifical reef? 'Redbird Reef' off the coast of Delaware.
High Risk Behavior. As a teenager, in the summer, before AC, I liked to ride in between the cars. It was pretty thrilling, and allot cooler out there when the train was rolling. You had to hang on to the handle pretty tight, and the sounds, sights and smells out there were pretty sporty for a thrill seeker kid.
Busted. At the Roosevelt Ave Station, a friend and I 'piggybacked' through a turnstile, using one token. A transit cop 'collared' us. He told us we were under arrest and to come with him. We were16 at the time, and scared to death. He took us in the 'Police Room' which he had a key to. There was a desk, a phone and a bench. He had us sit, while he picked up this direct line type phone and called for 'transportation'. He sat there and stared at us for awhile, and he was a mean looking dude. After awhile, he got up, opened the door, and told us to get out and don't do it again. Guess what. I never did. I saw that same mean Transit Cop many times over the years, at that same station. Big, light skinned black dude, with green eyes. He was hard to miss. I love reunions, but I never wanted one with him.
Favorite Station. 14th Street. "Please stand clear of the moving platform". Does it still do that? I thought it was cool.
Most Hated Station. Any 'El" in the winter.
Coolest looking trains. The Blue 'Worlds Fair' IRT Trains, followed by an all 'Redbird' train.
Food. Hersheys Krackle Bars. Five cents in the hand crank vending machine.
Pet Peeves. People who rush in before people can leave the car. People who clip their nails in a subway car. Are you kidding me? I could never get that, and the sounds drives me nuts.
Favorite Subway Movie. 'The Taking of Pelham 123'. The original, of course.
Subway Two-Way Radio. I used to listen to trains and dispatch on my scanner, but the communications were hard to hear. The system was famous for the 'dead spots' that were so troublesome, especially for the Transit Police. Buses were easier to hear.
My Subway Fantasy. Motorman for about a week, on El's, and underground. Like to drive a train on the El in a snowstorm too.
Got any subway 'stuff' you would like to share, or comment on? Likes, dislikes, memories?
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- jimbo
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Re: Subway memories...
Herb, I once had a real wild experience riding the subway. I was with a friend who once lived in Greenpoint Brooklyn. This guy was the street fighter's streetfighter, he never took an ounce of crap from anyone. Anyway it was always easier to go to Manhattan from Flushing by taking the subway, so that's what we did. We were on our way one cold winter evening to see the wrestling matches at Madison Sq. Garden. Argentina Rocca the worlds champion was wresting. For one reason or another my friend had some words with a guy in the car we were riding in. He was a lot older and bigger than either one of us. As we were getting off the train to make the change at Woodside, the F word was exchanged. The next thing you know the guy got off the train and came at us. My friend was ready for a fight when the guy pulled out a gun and said I"m going to fix you two bastards, get walking. Asking if he was a cop, he wouldn't answer. At that point my legs felt like rubber. Walking along the platform with him behind us my friend said run, and just as we ran, people were trying to get on the train we just left. We lost the guy by running into the street below. In looking around, we saw him on a far corner looking for us. We both figured he may have been Mafia and we really pissed him off. We got out of that area as fast as we could and were able to get to the matches a lot later. I never forgot that incident and came to realize that you never know who you may be dealing with, so be nice to everyone. PS Rocca won the match.
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- Sal
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jimbo-I find that offensive! There's no Mafia. LOL
- Olivia
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My favorite memory is riding the front car on the El. I loved that as a kid & I'd still love it today. Does anyone remember those yellowish-brown seats? They looked like cane or straw or something like that. I hated the subway during the rush hour. Especially in the summer. It was so hot. When you're so packed in, it's so hard to avoid the pervs & their roaming hands. There's 1 incident I've never forgotten. This poor guy was straphanging & you could tell he was sick as a dog--pale, sweaty, about to faint. He was standing directly over a girl in a sundress seated against the window. As the train pulled into the station, he just erupted & puked all over her. He couldn't help it, & the poor girl was covered w/vomit & smelly & crying. When the doors opened, he gave her his handkerchief, said "I'm so sorry" & ran off the train. Good decision on his part. Everybody passed handkerchiefs to the girl. At the next stop, a good samaritan said she'd accompany her to the ladies room & help her clean up. I used to wonder if that was a good decision or not.
- ed d
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Jimbo...I always wondered what happened to you 2 SOB'S that day..Don Corleone
- mango
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I hated the creeping hands in the crowded trains. You didn't really know if it was intentional or and accidental. The best thing the subway did was to get AC. The old train with those fans that did nothing but push hot air & smells around was horrible in the summer My worst scare was when one of he fans caught on fire and the car filled with smoke,everyone was rushing to get out and into the next car. What a Mess on a hot summer day
- Herb
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Interesting stories. The subway is so much a part of most NYers lives, and most of us have a story or two to tell.
Jimbo, I only wish I could have seen one of those early WWWF (as it was known then) matches, and Rocca was one of our favorites to watch on the TV matches. You are so right, it doesn't pay to get into it with strangers, that's how people end up in the morgue sometimes. You can get yourself killed over nothing. A wrong look, step on someone's foot, bump into someone, etc. I've seen it.
Olivia, I know it's not supposed to be funny, but couldn't help but laugh at your graphic description of that really gross incident. Worst nightmare. Interesting that both you and Mango mentioned pervs on the subway, I had no idea it was that prevelant, but I guess I'm not totally surprised. I think that in the subway, some people are on their worst behavior, and face few, if any consequences. They can get off at the next stop, and or, flee up the stairs to the street.
I sure do remember those old subway cars. This is for Mango and Olivia:

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- CharlieP.
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I had two fun things involving the subway. 1. Riding in the first car,looking out the window,going from Broad Channel to Rockaway. 2. When we were young we would hop on the back of the train as the doors closed,and was pulling out of the Howard Beach Station. We would ride on the Back/outside of the train. It was a blast to go over the bridge that connected Broad Channel and Rockaway. Some times a passenger would spot us and get the conductor. He would then open the door with a key and let us in,and give us a big a-- chewing. Although it was dangerous,as I think about it today,back then it was just a piece of cake,and another one of my many "adventures" that the big apple had to offer. A kid growing up in N.Y.C.----------------------------------- NOTHING COULD BE FINER. If I had it all to do over,I wouldn't change a thing !
- Sal
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As a kid riding the first car into Coney Island was a memory you never forget. In 1965,I was in the NY Tranist Police Academy(Jamaica Natiaonl Gurard Armory). As I look back that job was one of the worst jobs I ever had-Freezing Cold Stations in the Winter and Clamy Hot Summers. Back then we were know by the City Cops as Moles. We use to have wars between the two departments either them dumping some skel down in the subway or us dumping some skel out at the Times Square stop. I got bailed out of that job by the draft late 1966. I still ride the Iron Horse to get around the City. There must be millions of stories New Yorkers have about their subway experiences!
With the old subway cars,someone always got a bag caught in the closing door and had to ride it out to the next stop.
charlie-As kids and young adults we never realized how deadly it was to mess around with the subway trains!
Years later ,when riding commuter trains,guys would jump on moving trains as they were departing Penn Station. Thank God for the major saftey rules put in place now.
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- jimbo
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Olivia, I sure do remember the old cane seats on the subway, in fact I remember the old trolleys having the same type of seats. That was really back in the olden days.
- electchester
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I'm not one for trains and buses... Being a Queens girl all my life, would you believe I never once rode on an elevated train!!! But I do remember going on a bus once and looking for that string to pull when I wanted to get off the next stop.. OMG, they don't have those anymore...LOL I actually had to ask another person what to do.
- DrSteve
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Electchester: Do you mean to tell me that you never took the number 7 train from main street flushing to Times Square in Manhattan? That train ride is primarily on an elevated line up until you go in a tunnel to go under the east river. Did you only take the E of F train from Jamaica to get into Manhattan? What did you do before the Express Bus came into existence? I grew up primarily in Queens and I utilized both lines depending upon where in Manhattan I wanted to go. I always enjoyed the Flushing #7 train because it was an elevated line. Keep on Trucking, I mean Training.DrSteve
- Sal
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electchester-That does it! Forget the walking tours-You need a tour of the MTA Transit System! LOL
Years back the guy that ran our building security was Thomas V. Pryon-He lived in the Bronx all his life and was a cop for 20 years in the 40 Pct.-He told me he never left his neighborhood! I found that very strange.
Hell,I can show you how people live underground!
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- electchester
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You both crack me up..LOL Dr. Steve, I NEVER took the #7 Flushing line or the el on Jamaica Ave... Of course I use to work in the city back in the late 60's and I took the bus on Jewel Avenue to Continental Ave. and took the F train into Manhattan.. Years later, the best thing was and is the Express Bus right in front of my house.. Worth the $5.50...
Sal, no MTA tour for me! It's either the Express Bus or Jewel Car Service...lol
- Herb
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Charlie....hopping on the back of the train, now THAT is some serious 'high risk bahavior'. When I rode betweens the cars, and I did it allot, it was a little risky, and people have gotten killed doing it, but something would have to go very wrong for that to happen. You guys, one slip and your on the tracks, maybe even the third rail. Ever see anyone fall off?
I saw kids jump on the back of buses too. Not for me.
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- Olivia
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Herb--that pic of the train is beautiful. I don't ever remember seeing the trains so spiffed up & clean.
jimbo--I don't remember the cane seats on the trolley. I was very young, like pre school & we used to ride the Grand Ave Trolley to see my aunt in Maspeth. I just remember standing on my Dad's lap & looking out. Quite a jump from trolleys to jet planes in the 1st 20-30 yrs of our lives.
- Herb
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Could this be a young Lenny Waller, heading home to 'The Heights'?

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- Herb
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Olivia, thanks -- The previous interior photo is of a *very* old car (I believe a museum piece), this is more like what I was looking for, as I remember the first cars I ever rode in, seats configured this way.

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- Sal
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Herb-Two priceless shots. Thanks for bringing back the memories.
- electchester
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Great pictures Herb.. Let's wait and see what Lenny has to say..lol
- mango
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- Olivia
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Herb--absolutely gorgeous. Love those seats
- Herb
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Thanks all....glad you like them!
Herb
- jimbo
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Herb, great picture of the two boys in the last car. It can't help but bring a smile to your face.
- CharlieP.
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That A train was the one I took from Ozone Park to Manhattan. Great shots Herb. I can still remember those old bamboo-type seats.
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