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#1 2013-10-15 19:26:45

Andy Roth
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As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

I went to school in the 60's & 70's
public school k - 2 then catholic school the rest of the way
My 1st & 2nd grade teacher was most like the most influential person in my life.
She never failed to pull me aside and set me straight without belittling me.
My Catholic school teachers not so much.
They seem now to be the predocessor of todays education system.
Pass them through, next!
There Were only 18 kids in a clasroom in my K-2 years
28 when I got to olgc 3 - 8
36 in La Salle high school
Today there stuffing upto 40 kids in a 1-12 classroom
What teacher could possibly attend to any individual childs need

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#2 2013-10-15 22:30:27

reege
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Re: As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

Wow - I'm just finishing having a discussion on this very topic. So I'm ready for it.

One elementary school (the Bronx - Catholic) from K-8 (1948-1956). Superb education from every point of view.  DeLaSalle Christian Brothers and Sisters of Charity. They were wonderful dedicated educators. The corporal punishment existed but it is WAY exaggerated these days.

We had 50 kids in every class from 1 through 8. God knows how the teachers managed that, but they did. Somehow every kid's needs were attended to.

High school was quite different. Bronx Catholic Prep School - disastrous. In those days, student help/counseling didn't exist. A screwed-up kid was punished, not helped. The idea was you messed up, it was your fault. Barbaric way to look at things, but that's how it was.

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#3 2013-10-16 08:04:22

Sal
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Re: As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

12 Years of NYC Public Schools ('49-'61) average size class of 20 students. Mostly NYC educated teachers from Hunter College. Report cards always reflected an honest evaluation of students potential.

I still get my self of pride while traveling around the City-Suit and tie or Sport coat and tie!

Last edited by Sal (2013-10-18 12:12:49)

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#4 2013-10-16 11:35:31

CharlieP.
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Re: As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

Went to P.S.64 Queens from about 1951 to 1958. Classes were fairly small,and the teachers were very caring,and helpfull.I learned an awful lot in the 6th.,7th.,and 8th. grades. We had to be properly dressed,and nonsense was not tolerated. Most of the teachers were fairly old,thus teaching us "old school ways". High School ( John Adams ) was just the opposite. Big classes,uncaring teachers for the most part,and rawdy students. Daily racial fights were the norm. After my third year,I quit,and joined the Marines.
          The schools of today are totally different from what I've been told. The Math is totally different,and dress codes are practically non existant..There is probably many more differences,but I am not aware of them.

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#5 2013-10-17 09:57:25

Sal
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Re: As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

CharlieP-Some of the H.S. Students  I see on Manhattan's west ,look like their dressed for a Halloween party.  Even the Catholic Schools have reduced their dress code. NO MORE TIES.

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#6 2013-10-17 12:47:38

CharlieP.
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Sal,
          I've been to Puerto Rico,Dominican Republic,Mexico. Bermuda ,Jamaica,and Mexico,and in every single one of these countries,the school children were dressed in clean,smart lookong uniforms. Even though some of these countries had extreme poverty,the kids looked clean,and respectable. Shame our standards have been lowered to this extent. Too much freedom always leads to disaster,as far as i'm concerned.

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#7 2013-10-17 14:38:37

ed d
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Re: As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

the lack of parental concern/time/responsibility combined with the fact that this economy has made it necessary for both parents to work several jobs each (OH Yeah, I forgot the economy was improving) has turned our children into a reflection of todays more's.  Colored hair, multiple tattoos, multiple piercings, sloppy clothes, cell phone and e machine dependence, nasty programs on TV and computers etc. have created a sense of impending doom on our young. Teenagers do not fall in love any more or wonder what love is, they simply "hook up", and having sex with a friend is as common as going to a movie. What a waste!!

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#8 2013-10-18 10:37:24

CharlieP.
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Re: As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

The liberal/socialist educational system we now have,doesn't help either. We are now reaping the harvests of that.

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#9 2013-10-18 11:11:47

jimbo
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Re: As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

Dress codes in schools have totally gone to hell in recent years. My wife is a teacher ( now a substitute) in one of the better districts in our county. She teaches high school and the stories she tells me of lack of dress code from both the younger teachers as well as the students reflects the loosely gooey times were in.

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#10 2013-10-18 12:05:50

Olivia
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Re: As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

I did 1st & 2nd grade in PS136 in St. Albans. I transferred to Sacred Heart in CH in 3rd or 4th grade, when it opened, finished grammar school there. HS was Andrew Jackson in CH, graduated in 1960. I had a much better education than today's students. I agree w/ everyone about the dress codes today (or lack of them). Tramp stamps, pants falling down, jeans w/holes, concert tees, etc., all show such disrespect for the educators & fellow students.
Reege--I have to disagree about the nuns & corporal punishment. That is the reason that I refused to go to Catholic HS, & told my parents that I would purposely flunk out if they forced the issue. Since I was a good student, they let me go to Jackson. At Sacred Heart, 1 of my girlfriends had her finger broken by a nun w/a ruler for writing w/her left hand. A classmate of mine was hit over the head w/a geography book by our 5th grade nun, fell, & briefly lost consciousness. It was punishment for calling out the answer & not raising his hand to answer a question. We lined up in the schoolyard for either recess or after lunch break. The principal walked around w/her umbrella "inspecting the troops", & anyone not in line or laughing or talking, etc, was hit over the head w/that umbrella. I have no fond memories of Sacred Heart Grammar School because of the nuns in the 50's. I know it's not the same now.

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#11 2013-10-18 14:28:28

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Re: As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

Olivia, I went to a Catholic grade school in Canada, St. Bridgets. I was wacked over the head many times with the Nun's blackboard pointers, so I know what you are talking about.

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#12 2013-10-18 16:35:38

mango
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Re: As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

I went to St. Monica's Catholic grammar school. Lot of discipline but I learned and graduated with great marks. Went to Washington Irving High and it was a joke, walk thru.
They didn't care if you learned or not.and this was considered one of NYC's best. Out here in NJ most public schools , dress codes and  No m.have uniforms and it is working out great.

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#13 2013-10-19 12:09:16

Olivia
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Re: As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

Mango-your mention of public HS being a walk thru reminded me of something. I was acquainted w/a Colombian family who was here for many years after their work visas expired. The wife decided to go back permamently, due to family issues. She took her 9yo daughter, an American citizen, born here, with her. Her daughter emails  a friend of mine. She wants to come back to the US because school is too hard in Colombia. Apparently, it was much easier on LI. Our educational system is a mess, just like our infrastructure.

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#14 2013-10-19 14:01:56

mango
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Olivia, I agree

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#15 2013-10-20 00:09:23

reege
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Re: As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

Olivia - those are terrible stories you related. I have no doubt they are true. I only hope the offenders were brought up on the carpet and sent someplace else. But they probably weren't.

My own experience with Catholic education was nothing like that. Yes, there was discipline but never cruelty as you experienced. The worst that ever happened to me was being slapped for being late from lunch in the seventh grade. Br. Thomas lined up all the late-comers and we all got a slap. It was more a tap. A perfunctory sort of thing to make a point.

However, I don't deny that the Men and Women Religious had some bad apples. Like any large group of people, there wasn't perfection everywhere. I'm truly sorry about what you experienced. There never was, and never has been, any excuse for that kind of sick treatment of children.

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#16 2013-10-20 16:04:34

Olivia
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Re: As An Adult What Do You Think Of Your Childhood Education Vs Today

Jimbo--I forgot about those pointers. They looked wicked. I was never hit w/one.
Reege--About 20 yrs ago, I went to a Sacred Heart grammar school reunion. My class was about 50yrs old & most of us hadn't seen each other since we were 14 or so. I didn't want to go. I was talked into it by a co worker who had attended the school & liked it. Well, I had a great time seeing old friends, my 1st crush, etc. Some of the sisters who had so intimidated me were there. They were about the age that I am now. Some sickly & frail, some healthy. I realized that they were a group of flawed women like my friends & I are, & they had alot of demons back then. I had no reason or need to forgive them for anything. It was an eye opener & I was glad that I went.

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