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#101 2008-01-24 02:26:58

_joeg_knick
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

Pizza Masscre

George: I lived above the Pizza shop when
those guys from the Halsey Bops got cut and
I will never forget that night.....I heard that one of those indivduals, beside Snoopy,
also got killed in Vietnam...I sometimes think about the old neighborhood and think
about Snoopy and Guzman (I belive he was known as Batman... I often pray for them seems that they never got a chance to grow
up in peace...I also got out of there and
traveled the world in the service (us army)
Joe G.

 

#102 2008-02-02 21:16:11

_georgiefehr
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

halsey bops

Joe G.
I left Brooklyn in 1962. I did not know Snoopy or the other guy. The real Halsey Bops were through about 1960. This would have never happened when I ran with the H.B.

 

#103 2008-02-06 21:58:53

_reggie
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

Remember the Gangs was 16 or so.

Was not a member of the Halsey Bops but knew many of the guys that were discussed.  Went to St. Martins with Marie Poma, hung with Joe Poma - before he decided to join, and use to go roller skating with Phil Bues before he joined.  New Magoo - only because he was after loose change to buy Robotussin AC.  Hung aroung on the corner of Irving and Handcock - was a candy store on the corner.  What ever happened to Marie and Joe - he also had a younger brother Andrew - don't believe he ever was a member.  Remember Tony Carlino (not a friend of) - sang in the Halsey St. subway station for the echo.

 

#104 2008-02-08 21:46:53

_georgiefehr
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

halsey bops

Reggie,
I see Marie P. all the time. We have lunch at the Belmont Steaks on Myrtle Ave along with a number of friends from the old neighborhood. Hung with Joe Poma. Phil Bues was not a H.B. He hung out at Higney Bros ice cream parlor along with a number of other guys.

 

#105 2008-02-11 11:27:07

_billy
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

eldert st

I lived on Eldert st in between wilson and central ave from 1957 till 1964. there was a gang on eldert and wilson across from vinnys grocery store what was there name. March 2007 I passed by eldert st on the corner of eldert and central a nursing home has been built there,vinnys grocery store is now a spanish grocery store ,many new homes have been built there and now co-ops and condos.the drug store is no longer there on halsey and wilson ,is an auto part store as I drove down wilson near halsey park there was a soda shop where many halsey bops hung out the store is closed all I could guess maybe for many years I saw PS 106 which is now painted white my last place I saw was ST Pauls luthern church about one block from Bushwick High School the church is still there and on top of the church all the writings are in german.alot of memories I could write a book. best regards to all .

 

#106 2008-02-11 14:03:41

_georgiefehr
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

Eldert & Wilson

Billy,
The drug store on Halsey & Wilson was Monetti's. The grocery store  on Eldert & Wilson was Dicks. The owner was Dick Canestro. The ice cream parlor on Wilson & Halsey was Kalke's. The Halsey bops hung out there in the winter months for several years. I am talking about the time period from 1957-1962.

 

#107 2008-02-12 21:35:53

_donnie
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

The Poma's

Reggie,
  I am part of the lunch crowd that my good friend Georgie talks about. The Poma's are doing just fine. Marie lives in Maspeth, Joe in California, and Andrew still comes into the old neighborhood periodically to conduct business at the old Weirfield Fuel and Oil Company.

 

#108 2008-02-13 20:33:31

_dennis
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

desena bros

as i remember tommy was the president of the oz saints - dickie was also involved -other members were jimmy callahan - mucho - who was stqabbed to death by pauly rikkiki? eddie stern (suicide) pete triola - johnny sirrocco - there was also a south oz branch
i remember bleachy and a spanish guy -some guy -i forget his name from the halsey bops
moved on eddie sterns block and was accepted
also dennis petrinegro - the guy pauly G from F&P stabbed at rockaway .

 

#109 2008-02-13 20:39:46

_dennis
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

railroad boys

i went to high school with barry frick - one of the best people i ever met - he was from bradford and fulton (hung out with dennis mood - howie nad other assorted humps ) as i remember the president of thr raolroad boys was a guy named stunzalli?? barry died at 17 of an od - a real shame .

 

#110 2008-02-15 19:37:13

_reggie
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

Poma's

George/Donnie
I am glad to hear that all R doing well.  I just stumbled onto this discussion group and it brings back good memories.  I graduated St. Martins in 58 - same as Marie but went to HS in the city. Went to all the dances at St. Martins - Father Offenheiser ran them as I remember.  I remember Joe getting into a fight with him one night - do not remember why.  Hung with Joe, Vinny Lancie, ? Westbie, Frank Futchi - until Joe left to hang with HB.  All lived between Irving and Wycoff either on Hancock or Jefferson.  I lived on Weirfied near the corner of Irving.  The period between 58 and 66 was good - didn't have any trouble in the neighborhood until about 64.  Remember a basketball game at St. M  (64 - 66 )- left early with Frank and was walking on irving between Hancock and Jeff. - and was surrounded by what seemed to be 100 guys coming from Jeff - Hancock - from Knickerbocker (No HB or HT) new one of the only white guys in the group - probably was what saved our rear.  Remember the Rebels and Bombers.  Do not remember who exactly they were.

 

#111 2008-02-15 19:49:23

_armondo
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

The Fordom Baldettes

Tough girl gang from the Bronx.
They cam to take care of a girl in school. A the girl's guy friends surronded her and tried to protect her. After the girls took care of all the guys they got the girl .

 

#112 2008-02-23 15:58:14

_vernonp
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

pizza parlor massacre

I was just wondering where was this pizza parlor massacre i am 43 yrs old so i was just a baby when this happened  but im from the area could this be the pizza shop on dekalb and knickerbocker

 

#113 2008-02-28 06:12:00

_joeg-knick
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

Pizza Palor

Hey George you have a great memory and thanks
for the response. I'm the guy that lived above the pizza palor stabbings in 1966.
We lived at 799 Knickerbocker ave., close to the corner of Eldert and Knickerbocker. My
family went on to establish the corner store
on the corner of Eldert and Knickerbocker,
which used to be a meat packing store. The
store is still there and owned by someone else though we had it for a number of years
from 1964 to 1978. Anyway we lived above
the pizza palor and my sister called me after
the stabbings had finished and I saw all the
blood and guts, even the kid that died....
Although they were ruff times the neighborhood was great. Went to Halsey JHS
and later graduated from Franklin K. lane
but when I went into the service it was the
'block', Knickerbocker, between Eldert and
Halsey Streets that thought me to be strong
and not take anything from anyone..Am I glad
I grew up in Brooklyn on the block....Today
I am successful because of all the things
I learned from Halsey and Knickerbocker.....
Those were great times....Those guys who died
Snoopy and Guzmen will always be remembered
Thanks George and everyone that wrote on
his site....I read it all the time....Joe G
always from Knickerbocker ave.

of

 

#114 2008-02-29 14:51:19

_georgiefehr
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

Halsey Street

Joe G.,
I feel the same way that you do about Brooklyn.
It was a tough neighborhood.I was a Halsey Bop(we dropped the bop around 1959). It brings back great memories of great friends, but also sad times in that many friends are gone. The neighborhood gave me a great education which I used over the years in becoming a successful person

 

#115 2008-03-10 19:25:28

_jmaloney
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

looking for kenny Mc Cormick

I remember the Halsey bops because my brother was a member WooWoo or better known as Tommy maloney,I was a member of the El Dorados we hung out on Central ave. between Eldert and Covert. We were just a small group of guys BOSCO, JOE,STEVE, RONNY, AND MY BEST FRIEND  KENNY MC CORMICK If any one knows were kenny can be found, please leave a massage on this site. by the way my brother passed away a few years back, life finally did him in.     

 

#116 2008-03-10 20:37:24

_donnie
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

Kenny McCormack

    I can get you information on Kenny. I am in touch with his brother Dennis. I knew your brother and last year met with Bosco as he was visiting New Jersey.
    My e-mail: danddfiore1@verizon.net

 

#117 2008-03-10 22:19:02

_jmaloney
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

donnie

i am glade you can help out,as i was having no luck in finding Kenny Bosco is my cousin, he is the one who told me about this site, and also told me he meet with you and Georgie Fehr I to loved the old neighborhood and its great to hear the story's on this site it brings back a lot of good times. 

 

#118 2008-03-10 23:26:10

_georgiefehr
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

Woo Woo

J. Maloney,
Knew your brother. He was a lot of fun & a good guy. As Donnie said we met with Bosco last year, and he told us your brother had passed away. I was sorry to hear that. Dennis & Kenny(cigabutt as I called him, because he was always grubbing cigarettes),both live in Florida. I talk to Dennis frequently. He was 1 of my best friends.

 

#119 2008-03-11 11:08:52

_jmaloney
Guest

Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

Kenny n Dennis

I guess I have been looking in the wrong place, I should have look in my own  back yard I also live in Florida, in the Ft. Lauderdale area. Both of you guys are really fascinating, I don't know any one who can remember things with such detail, I have trouble remembering what I ate yesterday maybe both of you should write a book together. How you can remember names places and events is beyond me. Any way keep every one informed, and I well continue to check out this site, maybe I well hear from other people I grow up with.   

 

#120 2008-03-13 18:07:31

_jmaloney
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

hirpm

jmaloney     hirpm  •  posted 3/13/08 3:55 <img src="images/rasberry.gif">M

I dont think hirpm got his dates right. I was not a halsey bop, but me and my friends know many Halsey as they would aways help us out if we needed them. and we hung out on central ave.in 60 and 61 and Eldert and Wilson in 61 and 62 and then moved to Knickerbocker ave. in 63 and 64 when I went into the Marine Corps. And I can tell you for sure that the gangs he mentions did not take over that area until much later. it true they tried and they were a tough group, but we always managed with the help of the Halsey tots and bops to keep them at bay I know this for a fact, because I was there,and I also lived on Evergreen ave. till 1962 and I had to go home every day and if they had taken over that area I would not have made it home alive.   

 

#121 2008-03-23 10:25:05

_georgiefehr
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

Kenney

J Maloney,
Did you get in touch with Kenney M.? If so see if he remembers me calling him cigabutt.

 

#122 2008-03-24 15:34:25

_jmaloney
Guest

Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

Kenny M

Yes I did got a hold of Kenny,I got his brother, Dennis phone number from Donnie. I then called Dennis. Had a nice talk with Dennis who gave me Kenny's phone number. I then called Kenny who still lives in NY , out on L.I.. It was nice to hear from both of them. I am hoping to go to NY this summer and get together with Kenny. And no, I forgot about the Cigabutt, and anyway, I was just like Kenny, always grubbing.
Jim

 

#123 2008-03-25 22:25:07

_georgiefehr
Guest

Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

CONNECTION

Jim,
Glad you made the connection. The McCormack's are great people. Dennis and I were real tight back in Brooklyn. He is still one of my best friends. Brooklyn friends are like no others they last forever.

George

 

#124 2008-03-28 02:14:23

_louie
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Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

brooklyn bachelors

In response to the posting by Ralphie and the Hell Cat Bachelors. I was there when it all happened.  To the best of my memory it did not go that way.  The Bachelors started out on Vernon Ave near Marcy right across the street from an old precinct that was being dismantled in Brooklyn near the border of Bedford Stuyvesant and Williamsburg. It started with just 11 or so founding members, I being one of them. There were three major divisions, TNT, Senior and Brooklyn which we were all under if that makes sense to anyone. All one has to do is to go back to the Police report data base at one Police Plaza. As to the events around the Hell Cats it was either join or get wiped out in a turf war. Over night the number of the (mostly all Puerto Rican) Bachelors exploded. We went from just 11 members to over a thousand through out al of Brooklyn. Our aim was to get rid of the heroin dealer and drugs in general. From 1971- 1975 the streets dried up and drug dealers had to go completely under ground. Our main base was the Bronx. Dekalb  and Stuyvesant Ave was an open drug store and we hated it as well as other places. We were not looking for profit. That greed for money along with the NYPD’s action caused the Bachelors to disappear.  I guess we were affecting someone’s retirement fund. Believe it or not we did have a code of conduct and it was positive. We never attacked civilians and no drugs a amongst a few but the most important, ok we did smoke some weed, those who chose to.
As Ralphie stated the NYPD did frame gang members for many crime they had nothing  to-do with.
I guess the heroin was not flowing as desired. The entire division of the Senor Bachelors was arrested for kidnapping, I and three other by the grace of God did not fall into that trap. It then became basically just the TNT and Brooklyn, all other division fell under the Brooklyn Bachelors. The NYPD along with the FBI started a very aggressive campaign to arrest the heads of any divisions especially TNT and Brooklyn. The president of a gang or group would be accused of any crimes that were said to have been committed by those gang members. No one wanted to be President because it meant there being arrested on trumped up charges. I unfortunately or by blessing was made President of the TNT bachelors (I hope and pray there is not an active file for my arrest still in reference to anything). I soon found out that the police was actively hunting me from members who had been beaten by the police and taken in for questioning. Since I and my groups lived on the boarder of a rival gang at the time (Devils Rebels) we did not fly colors or advertise. The police was getting closer and closer to my home and I then had to leave completely from the area. Soon afterwards the entire gang fell apart after massive police arrest. Just look to the police records for the spring of 1975. I was never found nor arrest, but my friends whom I grew up with almost all have died, mostly because of the resurgence of heroin. One, a friend like a brother is in prison with no chance of parole ever. He was then a much better human than me and very intelligent, we were kids. I went on to college he went on to prison. It could have been me and not he. “Costello” Robert
Please excuse my writing I wrote freely and openly, with no disrespect to anyone’s personal memories.
I can probably write a book outlining the development of a gang since I was there from the very start the very first day we aligned ourselves with the Bronx Bachelors. Funny how quickly heroin came back in after we were gone. That point Ralphie hit right on the head.

 

#125 2008-04-09 08:26:12

_rrc1943
Guest

Re: Street Gangs - late 50's

Saints

During part of misspent youth, I was a member of the Saints.  We used to hang around PS68 park by the railroad tracks.  During the summer of '60 we had a run-in with some of the Halsey Bops who were coming up the tracks from their turf.  Late that night, the police visited my house on Seneca Ave and I got busted.  When I got to the 104th precinct, there were a few of the Saints already there.  Some names I remember are Jimmie Gorman, Tommy Birch, Eliot Kramer, and Bobby Whitsky(?).  We got our pictures in the Long Island Press and became minor celebrities among the kids in Ridgewood.  Since I was 16 at the time, I was sent to the Brooklyn House of Detention for a week, which went a long way towards turning me around.  I almost got kicked out of Trinity HS, but they let me graduate in '61 if I promised to behave.  All charges were dropped so that I could join the Navy when I graduated.  I eventually served a 20-year career and retired as a CPO in 1981.  I live in Virginia now, but still visit the old neighborhood when I go to NYC.

 

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