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#26 2005-02-04 11:55:08


Re: Flushing, anyone?

Roosevelt @ Main

Roosevelt @ Main. 
I had forgotten all about that conveyer belt in Woolworth’s.  You place your order at the horseshoe shaped lunch counter, and the food came from the kitchen on a small conveyer.  It was like the luggage belt at the airport.  Just ran around the wall inside the kitchen then out.  Unbelievable.

That corner was the best.  The clam bar on the corner .35 cent “Highballs”.  When’s the last time you heard of a “Highball”?  Great dogs and square knishes covered with salt.

The “Hurdy Gurdy” across the street on Roosevelt.  From about 1964 through 1967 I was in there ever week day.  Their were two guys who owned it.  The one I really remember is a little bald guy named Sid.  Every 15 minutes of so he’d come around the tables and check to be sure you coke was full and that you still had food.  If you didn’t, you either ordered something else or he’d attempt to throw you out.  Didn’t work!  There were too many of us.

Around 3:30 pm, all the catholic schoolgirls (with their long plaid skirts (God I love plaid LOL), rolled up around their waist like a small inner tube to make them shorter) came in from St Agnes and St. Helena (I think) to hang out for a while (we were a little grittier than they were use to plus we always had the good acid, pot and booze) before taking the Q27, 26, 17 or 65 bus home.

My friend John “Dip” Stole a whole rack of black leather3/4 length  “hitter jackets” from Girtz right there.  I bought mine from him.  He’s in the joint now doing 25. I think he gets out in 2017.

There was a bar down the (Roosevelt) block from the Clam Bar, right near the Q26/27 bus stop.  I can’t remember the name of it but it was like the DMZ.  I mean that all the hippies, hitters, guys from the projects, street people and cops from the 109 were in there at night till 4 a.m., AND no one bothered anyone.  Great bar.  The denizens of that bar were like all the socks that get lost in the dryer.  None of them matched.

I almost forgot that corner’s most important landmark “THE CLOCK”!  Everyone met everyone under “THE CLOCK”.  If I have to explain where it is, (It is still there as of 2002), then you don’t need to know.  Hey!  I’ll meet you under the clock”.

Fred Valis
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#27 2005-02-06 02:12:31


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Flushing Memories

I was born in flushing hospital and lived most of my life in flushing on 150th (once "Boerum Ave") nr 32nd (once" Myrtle Ave" , later  up on Crocheron & 167 when I moved to a northern suburb. sister still lives in my parents' (dec.) house and have seen the 'hood as recently as last week it is a seedy tawdry shell of its former self, hasnt been great since late 1970s to me really. flushing was terrific, we left our door open, could walk or take bussubway to Main St. Shea, even Manhattan.
Stream of consciousness follows...
Lets start w food. Dugan's & Borden's still delivered but by 1970 home delivery basically  gone. Jahn's. Gloria Pizza.
Did you remember their Sister shop "Marguerita" right across from Gertz?
A lot of wonderful sales ladies in Gertz,
Roosevelt Ave: Flushing Federal Bank
Merit Farms (BBQ chickens in the window)
Hurdy Gurdy-tried to be like a Nathan's.
Karl Ehmer, Singer, Stassou furs, Cushmans bake shop (think it became Ebingers mm blackout cake definitely was an Ebingers up at new Food Fair/Pantry Pride market at strip mall built on empty lot across from
St Andrews where I went to grade school.
Trunz. Chase bank (w clock) Arcade to back st (37th Ave?) municipal parking where Ronnie's was (my older sister shopped there & Joyce Leslie) Flagg Bros shoes S Klein.
Bus terminal was supposed to be built for all busses but never happened...
Mother worked at EJ Korvettes which previously was a homeorphanage with black metal fence round Sanford. Haircuts upstairs Roosevelt ave at Superstar (wsexy hairdresser helpers) Breslin's restaurant near Wallachs. Main St: WT Grant, Masters, Fox furniture (with a movie theatre-like marquee) Conovitz jewelers,
clock on St) Stride RideJumping Jacks shoes
Palace? kids clothiers, Joyce Leslie, Thom McAn, Newmark & Lewis, Buster Brown, Bankers Trust which became Barclays (now BONY if anything) Nedicks on Northern  Main across from RKO Keiths (sob) also another Nedicks & donut shop inside subway st. Up Northern to Union: Lafayette Radio, Times Square Stores, Quaker House, Bee Hive disco w Coca-Cola sign, Armory, Bock-David auto parts, MacGrotty Chevrolet, Robert Hall that became Bonds, Aqua-Pet Hobby, Sportsworld, an excellent Pizza place that I forget the name of, across Flushing Savings large Texaco Station & garage before flushing HS. On other side appliance stores (one was E something, an GE Art Deco master show place at one time) 
North Shore Appliance, Sears which I believe was Friendly Frost, Sears Automotive (sign with red ball on garage for years) towards Flushing HS Singers HallSt John Vianney. back on Northern Going East: Ethan allen furniture, Lum's, YMCA, Bowne Chemists (open 24 hrs IIRC) across st add on to Flushing HS (gym?) Royal Northern Apts.
Parsons: Parsons Hospital around corner from H&H, Shell was always on Northern. , Sizzler restaurant, H&H + store became Bank of N AmericaNatl Westminster, Flooring & union hq, Bohack's became LaZBoy, MacGrotty used car became HB Chevy, small A&P on s side of Northern, Jamie Funeral home. A lil' newsguy "Rudy" with a shack full of newspapers mags near 147th & No. Waldbaums, across Louelle Photographers, torn down to be Fl S Bank.
Gulf station, Arrow cleaners,
Lots of empty lotshouses filled in with large A&P (now Rite Aid) Burger King (open c. 1975 closed now? ) Wetsons became Nathans became Store24 became,..? Dunkin Donuts was there forever...Pilot Cleaners across from Key Food, Hunter Garden drugs, candy store, North Shore Olds, Gleasons
funeral. Joe Dimaggio's restaurant & sporting goods next door, Peter Florists, jimmy Haircutter 149th pl Monahan Ford, Amber Lantern, Car wash on 150th, apts
up Northern: Bowling alley with giant pin sign upstairs (decrepit) @Murray Pl Cities Service gas became Citgo, across was Sinclair then BP, Hardware store, Chinese Laundry, Lee Myles, industrial store of some kind, King Kullen on n side, corner was a candy store then expanded, KFC was a used car lot, Rocco Moving Storage, Firestone, GeneralIrving Tire at 154th.
another used car lot (OK-Macgrotty?)became
Jack In The Box 156th in 1967.  IHOP built @ 1970 still there. Across No Blvd gallagher Shell, Graziano Ravioli, old guy bar where benches were @ end of Roosevelt, McDonalds built c. 1972, big lot with Johntra Insurance, torn down for Food fair etc, Wash Mutual bank was originally Aunt Jemima's pancake House then Mayflower DonutsRestaurant. Great Scot was across st as drive in at 156 and soem stores-deli, travel agent. 157th corner
was empty lot then Knapp Shoes. ST Andrews, across was A&P, Parr Furniture, a Bake Shop
(Purity?) MerkelMerco Meats (huge chain brought down by org crime scandal, became Farmer Boy) corner Ha-Cha stationery,
n side Juvenile Mart toys & furniture, Murray's clothes across several buildings.
photography studio peter warren wright?
copy center where friends sisters boyfriend worked. Coffee shop, Roosevelt Theatre then the Quartet (now an Eckerds) another Woolworths, which had great burgers. Artistic cleaners, Bohack's became Scaturros then RS Strauss at Crocheron & No. Broadway St. across was Mapleways Bowl up 162nd Svend Kent paints, velvet cup, seafood store, blinds store, Regal chemists (still there)  further up eastbound Northern: beer distributor, furniture store, Villa Bianca, Breitfeller pontiac, Gables inn, beer distributor on other side near where Fontana Pizza is, Cranes 66, Wetson's, Toy City, White Castle Tanenbaums kids clothes @ Bell, College pt savigs bank, Kiddie City, Grand Union,
Home savings bank w mosaic tiles, Little Neck theatre, Scobie Grill, on to Lord & Taylor & Miracle Mile, a fancy shmancy restaurant with a womans name that I cant remember the name to right now. whew-thats only part of it. havent mentioned 150th, 154th in Whitestone, Parsons & 164th down to Jamaica, 45th Ave, 46th Ave, Fresh Meadows, Utopia Pkwy, F Lewis Blvd, Main St by Bowne HS, 14th Ave, 20th Ave, Adventurers Inn, Flushing Airport.   
hope I brought back a buncha fond memories...

Never drove as had Q15 and a block away
2 Q16 routes.

Towards KissenaProspect theatre: Smilens produce Shelley bakery Manufacturers Hanover bank, Kings & queens pool hall. Blue Star super market. Woolworths had excellent chicken & burgers 

H&H Northern & Parsons-large dining room + food shop with great take home gods-also available at Trunz nr corner of Main & Roosevelt. Parsons Inn bar now a McDonalds.
Used to work at Baskin-Robbins next to Waldbaums.


#28 2005-02-06 10:31:23


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Can you repeat that???????

You are amazing!!!! how do you remember all of those stores???????

Maybe I didnt read it carefully enough but despite your obvious tremendous memory you forgot the most important place - The Clam Bar!!!!

Still - great job - you brought back great memories for me.



#29 2005-02-06 15:54:02


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Sorry AVK2 - I accidentally put your code in the Username field.



#30 2005-02-07 10:13:40


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Remembering Flushing

Thanks auk2, what memories you bring back. During the early 60's I worked at the Flying A station on the c/o Kissena Blvd & Juniper Ave that was owned and operated by Joe Spada.I also drove a cab for Kissena Taxi they were located on 156 St just north of 45 Ave. Moved out of the area in the late 80's and went back in the 90's and WOW what changes have been made. Flushing looked like China town with all the Oriental stores and business there. Your description of the area was a trip back in time for me. Living in and around the Flushing Colleg Pt areas from 1948 to 1970's the changes back then were not as drastic as the ones from the 70's thru the 90's. The area must have doubled in population and business have boomed.

As an old timer I remember two horse rental stables in the Flushing area I used to ride at. One was on Colden St near Elder Ave. That disappeared when the built the Tall apartment complex on Kissena Blvd and the shoping area that is there with the King Kullen and across the street (Kissena Blvd) the Franconia Village complex. Also there was a riding stable at the triangle area on Fresh Pond Lane near 50 Ave. We rented horses and rode them alongside of the golf course and then crossed 164 St at the bottom of the hill and rode the drainage pipe areas between Kissena Park and North Hempstead Tpk ( now Booth Memorial Ave all the way to Kissena Blvd and then crossed that into the Corridor park where we could go as far as Main St. We would meet other riders from the other stable and have fun races with the horses. Great times and very little motor traffic to put up with.

I'm hoping your old enough to help me out with a name. In College Point on 14th Ave where the City bus Q-17 runs [the green bus]. As it went from the Malba area into College Pt. It pass a German bar-resturant which was on the south side of the street[left] in the area of 132 St. The place was called the (somthing) Grove.  It had large bar, big dance floor with picnic areas in the back and was the meeting place for these races. Do you remember the motor cycle races on the weekends that went thru the Flushing swamp/hills area located behind this place. This area is on the highest ground in the area and the slope from the top to the bottom in the swamps were very steep and provided much bike action. Spills cause by the steep hills and mud was the fun part of watch the races. I was to young to ride then and after watching the spills never had a desire to ride motorcycles like they did.

Will watch for further posts, thanks. Bob


#31 2005-02-11 11:00:39


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Hey!  Shadow?  Is this my old buddy, now in NC?  "The zookeeper".  If it is Hi Bob.

If so, what a memory "AVK2" has huh?
He obviously didn'y do the "60's" right, since anyone who did, can't remember them. LOL
Great job avk2.  Thanks for the memories.


#32 2005-02-12 14:17:09


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#33 2005-02-13 08:53:23


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What a memory AV!
Is that a script or what?
However, I didn't see "JOHN'S BARGAIN STORE".
It was located on Main Street. What a crazy place. My Mom would take my brother and I do to some shopping. That was a big mistake! We would climb on the display couters and run in between all the clothes. While my mother was shopping, the store would annouce a "big sale" happening in the women's dept for only 5 minutes! The women would all stampede over to the dept knocking down whoever was in their way. What a bunch of wild cats! My brother and I would get caught in the stampede, so we had to hide under the tables. That was fun!


#34 2005-02-13 09:07:52


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The Gable Inn...

Av...speaking of the Gable Inn...its closed and up for sale. Anyone interested in saving the place!
As a kid my dentist was upstairs. Dr. Ruggoff. Cruel German! Didn't believe in using any gas or novocaine. You had to endure the pain or raise your hand when you couldn't take it anymore. Yeah day I raised my hand and knocked that F*** drill right out of my mouth and never went back. LOL!
My dad would take us to the Gable Inn once in awhile. I would oder manicotti and a coke. That was $2. Behind the bar was a fish tank or two. My brother and I brought our catfish there. My dad named the fish "Albare". Wonder where that name came from?
And maybe we should all pool our money together and save the RKO. The asian owner butchered it badly. Its been closed up for years. It's time to rebell and bring back the old Flushing or at least the old RKO!


#35 2005-02-14 01:35:48


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wow - what memories!

Wow - I did not remember some of that
stuff!  I knew Rudy, the newspaper guy on
Northern near the Waldbaum's and the
florist.  The Baskin-Robbins there had
been a pet store in the 60s.  Also, do you
remember Eisenstadt's store near 
DiMaggios?  I used to go in there with my
dog, Freddy, who used to swipe
Spaulding's from one of the boxes on the
floor.  This would keep us in balls for one
of our games, like "Flies Up' and "Asses
Up."  Did anyone ever play Red Rover?
My mom and Grandmom worked at the
H&H, so I sort of grew up in there.  I was
sad when it closed. 

Hurdy Gurdy had all those old movie
posters, remember?  I think it became
a place called "Everyone's" and now I am
not sure what it is.

All the houses near me on 35th between
147 & 149 were torn down for condos.  I
could not believe it!

Anyone eat at Rutha's?  What about
Louie's, which was a Chinese place near
Dimaggios and the laundromat (which is
still there).  I don't mean the takeout place
which is where the Carvel was ages ago -
this was a real sit-down place mid-block. 
Also, the pizza place there was called Dial
a Pizza.  We also ordered from Pizza
Garden.  I think the Dial a Pizza was
a Chicken Delight in the 60s.

I was a newspaper delivery person in the
early 70s - anyone else do that?  I hated
it!!!  The Royal Northern was on my route.

Anyone else go swimming or rubber
rafting under the bridge?  We'd ride bikes
there.  I was forbidden but went anyway.  I
guess it was polluted, but what else are
city kids to do?  <img src="images/smile.gif">

I went to Flushing High until I moved for a
few years.  They had their swimming
classes at the YMCA, and we'd get
toasted corn muffins with like a pound of
butter at the coffee shop there.

Ah, yes, the Aqua-Pet and Robert Hall!
I used to get my chemistry kits at the

Don't laugh - I still have the Lafayette
speakers I bought in 1978 in Flushing.  I
now am in Berkeley, CA!!!

How about the Martin Paints with that
crazy sign?  I would be mesmorized by
that sign while waiting for the Rockaway
Beach bus that left from that corner.

Did anyone else build forts in lots?  There
was a lot at the end of 147th at 35th which
was our lot.  We dug a hole there and
used it as a hideout to smoke and "make
out."  lol

For Patrick - if you lived on Northern &
147th,  maybe we knew each other.  I
lived at 35-19 147th from 61 to 85.

I'm almost falling out of my chair


#36 2005-02-16 15:09:43


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Flushing Recalled...

Renee - I actually lived on 150th and Northern (apartment building on the corner, across 150th from the Ford Dealer, and across Morthern from the luncheonette, Dimaggio's & Eisenstadts) from 1969 through 1973 (I was 7 when we moved to Jackson Heights - shorter commute for my single mother to her job in Manhattan). I had family (Uncle, Aunt, cousins - Antonelli family) who lived on 35th Ave, just east of 147th (they moved to Ronkonkoma in '76), in the 2 story garden apartment building (on the north side of 135th, the same side that was all houses - right across from the apartment building). We used to play in the neighborhood, ride our Big Wheels down the hill on (seemed steep at 4-6 years old) 148th St. I went to PS 21, and I have fun memories of Flushing as a kid. Also had family(more Aunts, Uncle, cousin) that had a house on Beech Ave, just off Bowne (they sold and moved in 1998). Much of my family history is tied to Flushing - my Mom and Uncle are FHS alum (classes of '53 and '55, respectively). Main Street was a great place to go - if I was good kid, before we went home, we stopped at Hurty Gurty, or the Firehouse on Union St.(E273, L129)  - also used bust my mom's chops to go to the Firehouse on Murray Street(E274  -waddya want from a little boy aged 3-7? the firemen were always really cool and nice - think it was a big part of why I wanted to and became a FF). I def. remember Wetson's, Dunkin' Donuts, the Amber Lantern, Waldbaums. Spent lot's of time in the playground (Flushing had great school playground for kids - atleast as a kid it seemed this way) - like the one on the corner of Sanford & Union. Anyone remember Dr. Aisenson? My Pediatrician, and I recall a number of my classmates had him as their Pediatrician, as well. I think I recall his office being Sanford Ave, just off the corner of Main Street(might have been Franklin & Main). I remember walking past the YMCA. Definitely remember Gloria's Pizza, and even when I was going to school @ Queens College in the 80's, getting off the 7 to catch the bus, I'd make sure to stop once in a while to get a slice and coke - and it was still packed, and still great pizza. I remember stories about how my Mom and my Uncle hung out at Jahn's in the early 50's with their crew ("Chick Young", the DeVito brothers, etc..). I remember Rudy, the newspaper guy from Northern. RKO Kieth..... I remember the Jack in the Box & KFC on Northern (in the 150's), St. Andrew's RC Church & Parish, St Michael's (where I was baptized). I remember the first time I tried McDonald's - the "new" McDonald's on Northern & 156th ("across" from St. Andrew's, around the corner from Aiello's) - was New Year's Day, 1972 - and it was probably 60 degrees out, and my Mom & walked there, and had lunch in the triangle park - Big Macs, and all. Was a big deal for a 6 y/o.  Wow - talking nearly 35 years of recall (alot for me - being 39 y/o). Great Thread - the memories keep flashing.......


#37 2005-02-18 11:23:29


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Tales of the Hood

Neighborhood Tales!  161 @ 46th.  OK!  Let’s really get into the stories now. 

There was a liquor store on the west side of 162nd just north of Sanford Ave.  Snowing to beat hell; and maybe 18 inches on the ground but no wind at all. Christmas Season. Dark.  Four or six of the <A HREF=> Kissena Crew </A> walking past it and all that hooch on display in the window.  No gates down (go figure), and they are closed, but the window is lighted with multicolored lights for the season. 
The conversation.  How we’d love to get our hands on that booze.  We were maybe 14 or 15.  While we stood wantonly staring into that window, John “Dip” smashes the glass, the alarm blares, and we all grab random bottles and take off terrified.  We couldn’t believe that he just smashed the window!  Police cars wailing in the distance and coming closer every second.  We separate and scatter into the snowy night in pairs of two, each set headed in a different direction, but generally headed back to our home turf several blocks to the south where (since we are know every little escape rout and hiding place there, we can vanish like a wisp of smoke into the shadows.

Bruce (I think it was him), and I made for the LIRR tracks intending to run them down a few blocks away from the scene of the crime, but as we turned the corner near Depot Rd, a squad car turned the corner, and we dove into someone’s front yard.  We made our way through several yards (hopping fences and hedges as we went), and made it several blocks over.  From the hedges in another side yard, we saw the ominous reflection of flashing red lights on the snow across the street. We were scared shitless, and positive that the cops were out on foot searching for us.  Fifteen minutes goes by and we are still cowering (and freezing) in the hedgerow, and we can still see the reflection of the red lights flashing on the snow. 

Idea!  The booze!  We pull out the bottles.  One is Seagram’s Crown 7.  We crack it open (against the cold), and start to pass it back and fourth swilling it down.  Another ½ hour passes.  We are now getting drunk as skunks.  Liquid Courage. We are getting braver by the second.  Eventually, we work up the nerve to crawl out of our hole and take a little peek down the streets toward the flashing reds. 

We belly crawl into the front yard and look.  No prowl car.  No cops.  Nothing moving at all.  The red flashing lights are reflecting on the snow from a house decorated entirely in red Christmas lights.  Drunk and laughing hysterically, we make our way back to my garage (The Cave) and safety. The two bottles?  Seagram’s and Apricot Brandy.  The others had more odd combinations.  We spent the whole next day heaving into a bucket.  I have not been able to even smell Seagram’s Crown 7 since then and I’m 56 now.

Sgt. Ash.  NYPD 109th. What I remember most about this cop is that he patrolled at Main and Roosevelt.  Mostly near the Q26/27 bus stop near Woolworth’s where the IRT comes up.  The fascinating thing about Sgt. Ash in that he ALWAYS had a cigarette (with a 1 inch long ash that NEVER fell off, hence the nickname “Sgt Ash”) dangling from the exact center of his mouth.  He supplemented his income by accepting bribes from the cars he found “standing” at the bus stop, but his favorite amusement was to bust our balls by tossing us for pot at the Hurdy Gurdy. This eventually ended thanks to one of the Kissena Crew.  Billy Reilly (163rd above 45th Ave.). 
Billy was a certified genius.  If you can believe this, he was an avid bird watcher and pothead.  So much so that at the age of 16, his field notes and paper on “The Migratory Habits Of Canadian Snow Geese in NYC”, were published by the National Audubon Society that year.  Billy had a grant from them and bought a 35mm camera with a bonzo lens for his fieldwork on birds in Kissena Park.  BUT he had another use for it.  Billy took long distance but closeup photos of Sgt. Ash taking honorariums from the drivers, and then had the balls to show them to Sgt. Ash.  He went nots, but never bothered us again after that, and it was business as usual at the Hurdy Gurdy from then on. Thank you Billy!  R.I.P.

VERY YOUNG NOW!  11. 12. Who knows?  You may all remember that Kissena Lake had rowboats for rent, which they moored at night in the center of the lake.  Weekend days, the boats would be out, with people rowing around.
This is the good part.  On weekends, there were a bunch of old guys (20’s 30’s) who built from scratch these radio remote controlled model warships. They were beautiful and some of them were really big.  Destroyers, PT Boats, Battleships, even a Submarine and several speedboats.  But it was the warships that interested us as young boys.

When you walk into the park from the 159th St. @ Oak Ave. gate, past the playground and down to the lake, there are stairs going up to Parkee House Hill.  Beside these stairs there is a smallish tree (big now) that kind of hung out toward the lake.  We used to sit in that tree and watch the RC boats maneuver through the fleet of rented rowboats.
One day Matty and I were in that tree and several adults carried a huge Battleship to a spot nearly under us, and placed it into the lake.  It was very cool.  The turrets turned, and as it joined the flotilla of other warships already afloat, Matty and I thought how great it would be is there were some “bomb bursts” around them to make them look more real.  Being boys, we went off to find some rocks to throw into the lake a special effects.  We started tossing and skipping stones into and across the lake and the adults ran us off all pissed off.  Not to discouraged, we went up on the hill and there Matty found a really big rock.  “This will be really cool.  A nuke!”

From the tree Matty launched the “Nuke” and much to our horror, he scored a direct hit amidships on the Battleship with instantly sand it’s keep shattered.  With all the ferocity of Pickett’s Charge and accompanied by what could only be described as a rebel yell, the adults came up the hill after us foaming at the mouth they were so mad.  In fact, I think they had gone insane!  Matty had a head start since he was already on the ground, but I leaped from the tree, and hit the ground running slightly behind Matt. The lunatics chased us along the side of the Parkee House Hill through the bushes as we ran full out for the “Pipe” and the relative safety of “the swamp”.  At one point, one of these maniacs was so close to me that I could feel his hands brush my shirt as he tried to grab me, but providence intervened and he tripped on a root, tumbling assy-versy down the hill.  Being always fleet of foot, and now having passed Matty, we made the “Pipe” and running down it into the swamp, gained temporary safety.  From the cursing and yelling I could tell that our pursuers had not given up, and it sounded like one at least had lost his footing on the slippery pip and went into the swamp muck (yuk and hehehehe).  But we knew the swamp and its safe paths, and made our way out the back side near the horse trail.  There we entered the storm drain and ran this subterranean escape route under 164th St. and came up near the Golf Course, terrified but safe at last.  Eventually we made our way past the Pony Corral, and back home to 161 St. We were afraid to go near the lake for weeks. 

Anyone remember the big threat.  “You’ll get a J.D. Card if you keep this up”  Did this think actually exist.  A Juvenal Delinquent Card?  I think it might have been some made up “boogieman” to keep us in line.  It didn’t work.

Thanks for listening
Fred Valis


#38 2005-02-20 17:18:49


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Still laughing

Boy did that story bring back to life-stories of thing gone wild in that park. Still smurking as I write. Thanks for the memories. I spent a lot of week-end time in the Park. Fishing or on the bike track. The son (B)was into crazy too. Funny how you re-picture the park as you read. That bay/cove area that was under the trees was just down the path of the playground. Many a warm/night and hot time spent there,only a short walk from the car. That drain tube we ran on thru the swamp was slimmy and in spots down right damgerous. Worst thing was to fall off. As I sit here picturing the park areas and the fun we all had. Just thought about the time on Suicide hill when a few fellas went for a sleigh ride and we became air born, and I cushened the fall for [?] 200+lbs. Three torn ribs as I recall. LOL But would do it all again in a NY minute. Life was much simpler then.


#39 2005-02-23 18:12:24


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Wow! I’m a 50 something who just happened on this site and became home sick.  I grew-up in Corona and East Elmhurst during the 50s & 60s.  Main Street and Roosevelt Avenue were the two areas of Flushing we most frequented as kids.  My sisters, friends and I spent many a Saturday at the RKO Keith.  We took the Q66 that traveled down Northern Boulevard and turned onto Main Street.  Someone mentioned Gloria’s Pizza, that was “the bomb”!  The best pizza in the whole of New York! 

We were part of the first group of African American kids to participate in “Open enrolment” so we were bussed (public transportation) to schools in Bayside.  We attended JHS158 - Marie Curie and several of us went on to Bayside High School although many of us went on to Flushing H.S.

We bought our records (45 back then) from Masters on Main Street, bought art supplies from Pecks and we lived in Kress and in Woolworth’s.  Most of our clothing was bought in Gertz.  We also spent time in Jan’s Ice Cream Parlor. My father would take us to dinner at Lums Chinese Restaurant across from Flushing High. 

As kids we often wondered about the 600 School that was just behind Flushing High.
There was a movie theater on Main Street, the Prospect I think.  We frequented that often as well.  As teenagers we met under the “Big Clock on the corner of Roosevelt and Main.  There was a little store there that sold tobacco items and Violet Gum and Sen-Sen. We went in for the Violet Gum and the Sen-Sen. There was a doughnut shop that we frequented on Main across for a church. I can’t remember the name of the street it is one block north of Roosevelt.

Coming from Corona we would either take the Q66 or the #7 train from 111 Street, we lived in the Dorie Miller Cooperative Apartments at that time.  My parents bought a house in East Elmhurst and we then took the Q48 into downtown Flushing.

We spent Saturday mornings during the winter ice skating in Flushing Meadow Park and on hot summer evenings we would watch the fire works from the Aquacade.

During the mid to late 60’s I spent less time in Flushing and was shocked and,  I must admit,  even a little appalled to find how drastically it had changed. I doubt I would even know the place now. But growing up Flushing was a great place to shop and  hang out with friends. There was even a Nedicks on the corner of Northern and Main I remember my Grandmother taking us there when we were very little.

My kids grew up in East Elmhurst on went to day camp during the summer at the Flushing YMCA  Their experience  and recollections of downtown Flushing  as  vastly different  yet  the same I plan to  tell them about this site. 

I now live in Blythewood, South Carolina just outside of Columbia, SC and tomorrow morning I fly into LaGuardia to visit with my ailing father who now lives in Forest Hills.  It was incredible finding this site today. What a GREAT Project. This has made me smile.


#40 2005-02-26 15:54:09


Re: Flushing, anyone?

to Peepdru2 and Renee

Hey, Peepdru2!  Great account!
We might not be the same ethnic, but we must
have everything else in common, because I did
most of those things too! Just one thing: I liked
Giunta Pizza even better than Gloria  --  it was on
the corner right next to the Prospect movie
theater; was called Triple Nickel Pizza before, but
didn't get really good until it became Giunta, circa

To Renee: I remember those old movie posters at
Hurdy Gurdy very well. Those posters were the
first place I ever heard of some of the old stuff, like
W.C. Fields  --  I remember that near the back
corner there were posters for "The Bank Dick" and
"Never Give a Sucker an Even Break." I loved the
place  --  it was sort of a food court, and the first
such place I ever knew  --  but none of my friends
liked it much, so I usually went there alone. Didn't
mind, though.

Hey y'all, keep those stories coming!


#41 2005-02-26 15:57:38


Re: Flushing, anyone?

? how y'all found this site??

I'm  curious how you all got here.

Me: I was wondering what I could find about my
old bowling alley and the crowd from there, so I

flushing kissena bowling

And this site was the first match.


#42 2005-02-26 22:18:19


Re: Flushing, anyone?

to frankie & thanks for the great posts!

Wow - some great stuff!  I am loving this!

So I am sure all of you went to Flushing
Meadow as kids, right?  Did you go to the
Hall of Science?  Recall all those
crumbling worlds fair buildings that were
there until about 1970.  Outside the hall of
science there were these old rockets that
I'd climb on.  What about the zoo there?  I
was attacked once in that big bird cage (it
was a huge geodome) by a gander that
came rushing at me from one of those
elevated walkways and knocked me
down!  I also remember being in
peddleboats and taling the boats to some
old, deserted amphitheatre on the water. 
I can barely remember it, but maybe it
was also worlds fair-related.  I was really
little for that.

Frankie:  That hill you rode your bigwheel
down we used to call hitler hill.  I'm about
5 years older than you.  I am sure we
crossed paths as I hung out with my crew
in front of the big yellow brick buidling on
the corner of 35th & 147th.  When I was
young we would sled down hitler hill on a
snow day.  I knew people who lived over
there and on 35th by the garden apt.

Where did you live in relation to crown
peters?  I'm trying to picture it.  Was it in
one of those smallish gray buildings?



#43 2005-02-27 23:44:13


Re: Flushing, anyone?

The horse trail

Every so often you come across trivia that completes a puzzle.

1. We would use the horse trail in Kissena; it was a wide, raised path that cut across the park. We'd walk it on our way to building a fort in the lots with crap we found or to get to the bike track or to just get across the park.

2. Most of the major parks in Queens border each other: Flushing Meadows leads into the Botanical Gardens, Kissena Park Corridor, Kissena Park, the golf course... Peck Avenue starts and stops and then restarts miles away at Peck Park.

3. And now a seemingly unconnected piece. A.T. Stewart owned what is considered the first department store in the city (just north of City Hall). He was a wealthy man and had no heirs.

4. As part of his legacy, Stewart decided to build a garden city on Long Island (and called it that). The main street of that town bears his name.

5. Stewart needed a way to get people from their jobs in Manhattan to Garden City and built a railroad to do that: the A.T. Stewart line. The railroad later fell into disrepair, was painted white and renamed "the white line," and finally became the Creedmore line of the LIRR. It was then abandoned.

6. The railroad corridor--its right-of-way from Flushing Meadows to Creedmore, was sold to the city in the early 20th century.

Before our time, that horse trail was a railroad bed. It's obvious now, if you remember how it looked, but I had no idea.


#44 2005-03-02 16:11:20


Re: Flushing, anyone?

35th Ave

Hey Renee

Imagine this.

Internet, at a desktop who knows where in the world, a moment of memories sparks a google, and then, suddenly, you can be corresponding with someone who shared a block, a street corner or two, A hill, and thousands of common memories!!!!

Blows my mind.

You know, I now recall my aunt referring to the hill on 148th as Hitler Hill, but did not recall that until you mentioned it. So, my family that lived on the block lived in the two story garden apartment building right across the street from your building (the garden apartments were sandwiched between the house that cornered Hitler hill on the NW corner of 148 & 35th, and the rest of the row of houses down the north side of 35th avenue). I actually lived in the apartment building on the NW corner of Northern Blvd. and 150th street (directly across 150th street from the Ford dealer). We moved in April, '73. My family on 35th ave. moved to Ronkonkoma in Jan. '76. I do not recall too many people from that neighborhood, but do recall a family that lived a few houses down the block (on 35th, headed towards 147th) - a boy named Brendan, pretty sure, a couple of years older than me, and his sister, Patsie, who was my age, or closer to it. Also, Ronnie Russo who lived in my Uncle's apartment building, across the court.

It's great to have an opportunity to bring back these images and memories, and share some common ground from a time way back that we had no idea would be so precious to us now.


#45 2005-03-02 16:16:56


Re: Flushing, anyone?

Renee - question for you.....

I vaguely remember during our (mine and my cousins) "unauthorized" journeys around the block to 34th ave, a building that supposedly Nuns lived in (true?) - had a large courtyard area, with big lawn, and such - talk about fuzzy recall. Also the house on the NW corner of 148th & 35th (Hitler Hill), wasn't she a "cat lady", and if I remember my cousin's telling me, they used to claim she was a "witch" lol!!!! 5-7 y/olds conjur up some major league


#46 2005-03-09 02:44:00


Re: Flushing, anyone?

Searching for old friends?

The Flushing contingent on this site seems to be
one of the most active, and I thought this might be
place where we might look for old friends!

I started a separate thread  on it:


#47 2005-03-09 23:00:13


Re: Flushing, anyone?


Renee mentioned an amphitheater on the water in Flushing Meadow Park. That was the Billy Rose Aquacade from the 39 World's Fair, recycled into the Hawaii and Florida pavilions at the 64 World's Fair and then recycled into a municipal pool. It was torn down only a couple of years ago.


#48 2005-03-13 23:21:42


Re: Flushing, anyone?

wow! flushing has changed

I am 25 years old, and lived in Flushing my whole life. Yes, even today I still reside in Flushing. Well, I'm more on the outskirts of it.. not far from Francis Lewis Boulevard and Northern blvd..
but I always had that advantage of having the bus right there if I ever wanted to just ride into Flushing.
Flushing is not what it used to be. I remember Gloria's pizza.. I remember my mom taking me to some clothing store called "rascals".
Then when I was in junior high school, I remember going to Busy bee mall, and across the street was an arcade.
Everything had changed! gloria's is gone. rascals was gone many years ago..
everything in flushing is now asian!! well, basically everything.
and as you go down northern blvd, its all becoming asian.
its not until you get closer to my neighborhood, where things are changing from Asian to Greek.
looks like we are having a territory dispute. question is: who is going to buy more buildings? Asians or Greeks?
I wonder if it is time for me to move. my boyfriend lives all the way out east on Long Island, and i still tell him, he doesnt have it like I do. All i need, is one bus, and I can be in the downtown area of my town. Long island? you need a car to get everywhere. Yes, even though flushing isnt what it used to be, you still sort of have that luxury of chosing if you want to drive or not. You have the Q13/Q12 on NOrthern. Then 3 blocks south, the Q27/Q26/Q31
I just think it does come to a time when one should fly away from their home land.
I noticed alot of people on this message board mention they moved away.
where to next?


#49 2005-03-19 22:42:10


Re: Flushing, anyone?

To frankie


Frankie, I think the place with the nuns
was the place I would pass on 34th
avenue when we would walk to the penny
candy store that was next to this dairy
place called, I think, "lug a jug."  I believe
we thought it was a nursing home, but I
am not sure if we ever really knew what it
was but it kinda baffled us.  We would
only go by there when we went to get all
the penny candy.

I am not sure I know any of the folks you
mentioned - cuz with kids the difference in
age can be like dog years!  I had some
friends though, near the garden apt.  One
girl, in the house on 148th and 35th, was
Vicki, and she hung with us sometimes
on and off.  I think this is the house you
are referring to as the cat lady -- and it
was a house that, I think, had a couple of
rental units. 
Also, in one of the houses on the other
side of the garden apt. were the
Normoyles, then two others in the house
next to the lot -- I cannot remember, but
they both had red hair, girl (Anne?) and
Then, the house across the street, right
next to the big yellow building on corner of 
35th & 147th, I knew them pretty well. 
Dellaquilla was the name, I think.

Do you remember the sneakers on the
telephone wires on 35th & 147th?  <img src="images/smile.gif">

I used to walk my dog, Freddie, on Hitler
Hill, to see this guy I had a crush on.  He
had rented a garage on the block so I
would nose around there all the time -- so
I am well acquainted with you big

In your building (where you lived) I knew
only the Schulz family.

((Sorry to other posters if this is so
specific and boring to you.))

Satch - thanks also for the info on the Billy
Rose arcade!



#50 2005-03-20 21:19:59


Re: Flushing, anyone?


I lived in Flushing 1963-1972, and graduated from Flushing H.S. in 1967. Played football for the Red Devils, a perenial dormat under the leadership of coach Ed Berg, usually with no assistant coaches.  We got to practice every day by city bus, carried our equipment in big canvas bags, and took two buses to get home, sweaty and dirty because the facility had no shower. The game field was the practice field, and there was no plumbing in the locker room.  Visiting teams had to change and meet on their bus.  A first class operation.  I lived in the 6 story apartment building at the end of Kissena Blvd, where it joins with Main St, accross the street from the library and, of course everybodies favorite Pizza place, Gloria.  The first floor of the building was stores, an Italian Restraunt, behind which the police used to stop for food, a diner, supermarket and dry cleaners.  The building also housed the draft board, so a lot of men of that era will know the place. Speaking of Gloria Pizza, I remember in about 1966 or 67 it was named in Playboy Magazine as the best. Nobody has mentioned the wonderful Italian ices they sold. I hung out at King and Queens Billiards, on the second floor of the building on the east side of Main street, adjacent to the Long Island Railroad tracks.  It was filled with a lot of characters, men who seemed to have nothing much else to do but go to the race track in the day, and hang at the pool hall in the night.  It was brighter, more modern and more wholesome than the other poolhall just off Main St just a few blocks north, called Jaycees, a darker more old fashion place with beautiful prewar tables and overhead beads for scoring. Under the LI Railroad tracks, on the west side of Main St was a streetside florist that was still there a few years ago, operated, along with a shoe shine stand, by Jimmy Avena, who had a 99 year lease on the spot.  His son Mike was still there when I was last there, and he has to be one of the most knowledgeable people about the changes to the community over the last 50 years.   I remember standing having Pizza at Gloria's when the Beatles were playing at Shea Stadium, and in fact I recall when the Stadium opened, which if I recall correctly was the same year as the 1964-65 World's Fair where I worked at the hotdog stand at the Missouri Pavillion.  Great memories. thanks.



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